Wednesday 28 May 2014

Whats wrong with our counting system?

Today is Wednesday evening and it really looks like we’ll not have a result from Midlands North West Constituency until Friday morning! I’m hearing that the Germans had the results from 30 million voters very quickly. They would wouldn't they! Bet there was no craic at their count!!

Anyway, regardless of everything, there is obviously a serious problem in Ireland with the preparation of results from our elections! We have a wonderful system of Proportional Representation using a single transferable vote which provides for   great fun and entertainment! As an admirer of it I want the blood sport to continue. However by the same token I realise the system is damaged. We probably should improve it! Not for the Germans, nor for that matter the benefit of any nation, other than ourselves! We deserve it, because as a nation, we are politically more savvy than most. Some will correctly say, “our counts should be primarily about getting results.” “To hell with the fun! “ (German influence again!!)

There is a feeling out there that we are presenting ourselves poorly to our neighbours in Europe and we are becoming the laughing stock of Europe. The D4 heads are worried about us and how we appear! So what? We had a leader one time who tried to look the business in Paris with his Charvet shirts etc etc! Part of the problem lads. Appearance over substance!

It’s not just a Republic of Ireland thing either! I read a piece recently on the BBC website about the manual counting of votes system in Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland's chief electoral officer Graham Shields wants future elections to use an electronic counting system. He claims that there is technology that would allow the  process to be completed in a matter of hours rather than days. "Mr Shields said the system allows ballots to be read and calculated by a computer instead of being counted by hand. He claims it had been used  in Scottish local elections since 2007 and that it was "very, very efficient".

The system would he claims be “a bit more expensive than running a manual count". I have a fear that we have become too monetary in our outlook . Money talks!

Now back to reality what did Bertie say? Over seven years ago “ Ireland is the laughing stock of Europe because voters still use pencils in elections, an "embarrassed" Taoiseach Bertie Ahern  told the Dáil!! If that’s all that was embarrassing the yellow trouser wearing Taoiseach we were so lucky weren't we! What about the financial crisis?? What about meltdown, free fall?? No, pencils, pencils yeah the good old HB Faber and Castell pencil is what upset Bertie!!  

The children in my class would answer “Sir, solution, what’s the solution to this problem you pose?” We know that problems are only things we need to solve, be they, how to change the tadpoles water without losing any tadpoles or even how do we share 47 buns between 7 people? Life is full of problems which we love to highlight, solve them now that’s another story!

In fairness to Bertie he did propose a solution, in fact Martin Cullen was left holding the Noel Dempsey baby! Yes those wonderful electronic voting machines! If I’m correct in my recollection, Noel Dempsey as Minister for Environment and Local Government put the wheels in motion and Martin Cullen followed it through! I have a figure of €54 million in my mind for those things! I think they realised less than a million when they were finally scrapped!

The problem was that they could not be guaranteed to be safe from tampering.   They could not produce a printout so the votes/results could be double-checked. In a nation where the electorate are politically savvy that’s a kind of important issue that needs to be resolved before any tender is agreed forget about contract signed!

 I was at a road show in Dublin Castle years ago to see them in operation! They looked the business however like lots from that era it was appearance over substance! Fur coat.. you might say!
So solve it Rural Rossie!

Well firstly we have wonderful counters and returning officers in the country who work loyally and honestly at all counts! They put in a massive effort and as one reminded me. “Hugh I have to think of my own job, I was here on 2 days annual leave” She is a staff member of the Courts Service and as the recount was becoming obvious she was unable to commit. (Scales  of Justice must balance too). These counts are run by volunteers and it takes time. They do a great job as it’s the political masters who must put the system in place.

My proposal is we continue with Bertie’s pencil and paper but we use electronic counting of the votes. We can’t trust the voting  machines at the moment. What we’ll get is, results with a paper trail, a quicker result and we’ll be able to stand over it. What more do we want?

Well I suppose the great thing we have in Ireland is common sense in elections. We have the “doubtful” votes pile which are checked by officials and candidates before they are judged to be spoilt votes. In any electronic counting system the votes that may be doubtful must be checked by humans as we do at the moment! (Can’t have a German type application of a black and white rule on doubtful votes.)

That was as far as I know the only issue Scotland has had with its system which it introduced in 2007!

Will Roscommon South Leitrim By-election be the last manual count in Ireland???


Nien! I hope not! 

(Revised! First Draft was too wordy! Second Draft hard to read and third still not correct! )    

Tuesday 27 May 2014

Harkin to make it!



Since 1999 I have been voting for Marian Harkin and for years before that I was an admirer of her. I remember her for many years on  Developing the West Together, which evolved into the Council for the West, of which she became chairperson.  Sadly in 1999 she lost out to Dana in a European Election, Ming lost that day too! We saw sense in 2004 and sent her to Europe. This week we may have really seen sense and sent them both to Brussels!

Marian  has never let us down and is regarded as the most hardworking MEP out there. She is now fighting for her political life but I’m confident she’ll survive. 

I’m sure that Byrne will transfer well to Cope he has 64,057 votes after all. Cope needs them all. Could he get 60% yes he could of course! And this would be a great transfer. 

However it would only mean that Cope gets 39,000 votes that’s him at around 107,000 votes. Harkin has to get a few votes and so does Carty.

 Carty gets elected and Bingo his surplus which came from FF will go to Harkin.

Why vote FF 1 SF2 and back to FF?? Will not happen. Hence I say Marian will continue her great work!!

COUNT 6 –
MIDLANDS NORTH WEST
QUOTA 129,290
CARTHY - 127,135                                        
THE COPE - 68,440

HARKIN - 99, 843

64,057    To be shared out     

Monday 26 May 2014

3rd Count Midlands Northwest



Counting is suspended in Castlebar until 9am tomorrow.

State of things is that Ming is elected, Carty about 9,000 short of quota. Mullen is eliminated and his 41,000 votes are being distributed.  I predict Marian Harkin will get a good lift from Mullen over 15,000, Higgins will also benefit as will Cope.

My call is if Byrne could ever get ahead of Pat the Cope Gallagher then Harkin would be safe. Harkin needs 50,000 votes and has Higgins and Mullen to feed her. However Byrne will transfer very well to Cope and Higgins and Mullen will also give him transfers. This will be a dog fight but at the moment I have a crazy feeling that Harkin may be ok.

I’d imagine that Harkin will close the gap on Mc Guinness and I can’t see Higgins transferring 50% to Mc Guinness.

Carthy still waiting for almost 10,000 votes too.



3rd count 
- Byrne 58505, 
Carthy 120723, 
Gallagher 62071,
Harkin 77798, J
Higgins 43292, 
McGuinness 102025, 


To be transferred Mullen 41164.

By-Election Musings for Roscommon now that Ming is leaving us!




Withdrawal symptoms from the local authority counts were quickly cured by a day’s work in school. I heard all about 1 Direction, Cllr Valerie Byrne’s victory and even Seán Lenihan winning €25k with Club Rossie. These all made the headlines in my third class classroom this morning along with the appearance of front legs and tails getting smaller on our tadpoles!

Ming has just been elected in Castlebar. It’s now time to look at the future By-election in Roscommon. I have spent a car journey home from Elphin weighing it up in my head.  I have a few thoughts on it which others will probably disagree with. I believe Fianna Fáil are in the driving seat and as such I understand why Paddy Power has them at evens to take the seat. Independents are favourites at 5/6. I reckon if Fianna Fáil are serious about winning a seat back in Roscommon / South Leitrim they must open their minds to a new FF strategy.

After watching the Longford Westmeath by-election, I believe that the exclusion of Longford by parties was a mistake! As an observer of politics for many years, one of the greatest coups I’ve seen was the 3 candidate strategy to retain Bobby Molloy’s seat by the PDs in Galway West in 2002. Donal Lyons, Declan Mc Donnell and Noel Grealish ran as a three man team. Noel Grealish was the last man standing and is still today a TD representing Galway West.

I have a simple strategy for Fianna Fáil. If they want seats in future and in this By-election then just try this. Run two candidates, one in Leitrim and the other in Roscommon. The Roscommon candidate must be ready to run in the Roscommon Galway East new constituency. I reckon Ivan Connaughton is the candidate there. The chimney pots are numerous from Roscommon to Athlone and an Athleague based candidate is well located to cover two of the Roscommon Local Electoral Areas, if not all three.

Next up let’s look at Leitrim. Sinead Guckian from Annaduff is a good Councillor in Leitrim. She has a great pedigree and profile. Guckien is a potential Dáil candidate, and what better preparation than a run in a by-election.

They must work as a team, look for 1s and 2s  and by God they’ll be unstoppable!

Fine Gael are in such disarray that they only have two Councillors.  Micheal Creaton Loughglynn and Maura Hopkins (the chosen one it seems) on the Sligo border at Edmonstown near the Bishop’s Palace. I’m deliberately excluding the third FG councillor John Naughten brother of Independent TD Denis! Anyway who’d vote for Fine Gael now??  They’re 6/1 with Paddy Power by the way!

Last Friday was dubbed Independence / Independents Day. Of course there will be two or three of them. Will Ming have an endorsed candidate? Will Valerie Byrne run? Will Naughten have an endorsed candidate? Yes to all three I believe.

However Valerie Byrne will not be all 3.

 Denis will have a high profile candidate in the By-election!!   If Denis Naughten convinced Shane Curran to run how would he do?? I’d say he’d really put the cat among the pigeons. He’d be value at 5/6! From Castlerea, based in the South, known by all!!  I believe Naughten will have a high profile candidate but could it be Shane? Would it cause Denis a problem later?

What do we know? Well firstly this constituency will only last as long as this present Dáil. In the next General Election Ming’s candidate in Roscommon Galway will either be himself or Micheal Fitzmaurice or maybe the two of them???? Beirt?  Fine Gael will have it nigh impossible to take a seat!

You see I don’t buy into the idea that Feighan will be Ceann Comhairle for a number of reasons. Firstly Kenny is a member of the Dáil for almost 40 years and with that service he has a respect for the Oireachtas and the position of Chair of the Dáil. This is a most important position, as not alone does the Ceann Comhairle chair meetings of the Daíl,  but also exercises other duties by virtue of the position he holds.

In the absence or temporary incapacity of the President of Ireland, the Ceann Comhairle is a member of the Commission which exercises and performs the powers and functions conferred on the President. The Ceann Comhairle is also a member of the Council of State which aids and counsels the President in relation to the exercise and performance by her of certain powers. The Ceann Comhairle is ex officio Chairperson of the Commission for Public Service.

The question I’m posing is “if Enda considers Frank not good enough to chair an Oireachtas committee or be a Minister of State how is he good enough to be a Vice President?”  What about as a member of the Council of State?

Will Kathleen Shanagher run? What about Nigel Dineen? Of course they will, if Shanagher runs she’ll do well in Roscommon and the South of County. Nigel Dineen has proven his ability to get votes, has a high profile as a successful GAA manager and Roscommon GAA stock is very much on the up!

Labour, will John Kelly run?? He might, but all he’ll do is keep Maura Hopkins down in her Ballaghaderreen Bailiwick. Labour is a spoiled brand and I really think that the red rose is withered here in Roscommon.  That said under a new leader they would have a certain bounce!

Anyway Sinn Féin are a shrewd outfit. They’ll probably run one candidate. They know they’ll not take a seat this time so it’ll be steady, steady wins the race! I think  they’ll introduce a candidate for Roscommon! 2016 will be a flagship election for Sinn Féin and the party only have one Councillor, Michael Mulligan from Ballaghaderreen. Expect to see David McWeeney running here. We’ll all know him then for 2016 and the 2019 local elections!

Can Denis produce a high profile independent?? Will it be Cake? It’ll be someone and why not Shane? He seems to be talking the talk of late!!

The HAC what’ll happen there? 

Tony Ward former Mayor of Roscommon and Poll Topper in Athlone area is another possible candidate I suppose too. He'll definitely be interested and also will fare well in South not sure how well he's known above Roscommon town. 

At the end of the day I think momentum is with Fianna Fáil and I believe they’ll actually take the By-election seat if they play it smart! Can they be trusted to do that???


Today is the 26th of May and no date available yet for a By-election! Early days! Come back in a few months and we’ll chat about it again!! 

Sunday 25 May 2014

Boyle Result


Boyle Final Result


Byrne (Ind)
Cummins (FF)   
Doherty (FF)
Hopkins M (FG)
Mulligan M (SF) 
Murphy E (FF) 





 




First Second Third Fourth Fifth Sixth Seventh  Eight
Elected  Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461 1578 1619 1777 1643 1643
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0 0 0 0 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)  Elim 1062 1107 1112 1144 1161 1207 1230 1268
Elected  Cummins (FF)   Elected 1512 1534 1582 1628 1643 1643 1643 1643
Elected  Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131 1152 1176 1296 1332 1608
Frain (Lab)  Elim  587 606 652 696 0 0 0
Garvey (FG)   Elim 674 680 682 739 754 0 0
Hopkins C (FG)  Elim 731 733 734 752 767 929 948 0
Elected  Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916 1039 1287 1400 1413 1729
Elected  Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362 1406 1614 1639 1640 1727
Elected  Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178 1289 1310 1381 1406 1463
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0 0 0
11501
 Quota  1643

So whats the story of the election in Roscommon?


The story of the Co Council elections in Roscommon has to be the return of Fianna Fáil, the wipe out of Fine Gael who now only have councillors on the borders. Loughglynn, Edmonstown and down in Drum. Roscommon known asConstans Hibernia Cor” the Constant Heart of Ireland has no Fine Gael representative at its heart!!

The HAC are gone in Roscommon town or is it just that Paula Mc Namara was past her sell by date? I believe it was very much a case of thank you Paula we want Kathleen Shanagher.

You see the hospital has come of age, its mainstream; it belongs to all parties but especially Denis Naughten and his two councillors who sacrificed their careers for it! I remember Micheal Finneran former Minister of State stating at a time that the Hospital was not a HAC issue it’s an issue for everybody. It is now!

In Elphin Valerie Byrne got a vote because of the hospital and the work she’s done. Elphin wanted its Councillor and they got behind her. I really think it was community there in Elphin and by God Elphin backed her. She got the children a playground and the parents paid her back!  So did everyone else!

Nigel Dineen managed the under twenty one’s to two All Ireland Finals in three years. He was elected today. The GAA helped him but his community approach reinforced the desire people had to vote for him. Other Independents lost out. John Murphy lost out but I believe that’s because he was not well known. People did not even know he was a Ming man! Anyway he’s gone. Tom Crosby is gone but the other Murphy has survived!!  Euge that is!

Murphy the man Fianna Fáil did not want has shocked the county or did he? Star of radio and now television everyone knows Eugene and he’s a nice fella! We all agree!

Everyone is talking about Maura Hopkins however I don’t believe it’s that great a performance!  Fine Gael had approx 24% of the vote in Boyle area! They converted that to one seat!  Fianna Fáil had 35% of the vote and translated that to 3 seats! 

Don’t get me wrong it’s a great achievement to be elected! However the old Ballaghaderreen area was a Fine Gael stronghold and has not felt the ire of the hospital probably because of proximity to Sligo and Castlebar hospitals. However Frain as Station Officer (Commander in Ballaghaderreen) with The Fire Brigade saw it differently. 999 people realise the need for 999 services! Hence he abandoned Fine Gael. "Principles are great if you can afford them!!"

Former Mayors Sean Beirne, Tom Crosby and Micheal Mc Greal all lost their seats. As an aside yesterday was a bad day for Mayors. Cork and Dublin both had Labour party Lord Mayors and both lost their seats so did the Mayor of Cork County Council. And the Cork Mayor was in a Car crash Saturday night/Sunday morning! Hospitalised for a few hours but all ok!

Talk yesterday in a pub in Castlerea was about expenses and the fact that they had been published and all that people got! Did that have an effect??  One man told me “Mc Greal got nothing from me as he got too much money from the council!!”

The interaction on Twitter and Facebook was fantastic with great discussion happening! Lots of great discussions about various things be it Mc Greal over Creaton or Larry over Orla even Eugene and Crosby.

Anyway vote management was the winner here.  Fianna Fáil got full value for their vote in Boyle 35% and they took half the seats 

This was my first time to blog and I believe it worked. I had over 3,400 page views today!  I'm off to bed but please interact. Comment below. Tweet me @lthugh  


I look forward to a detailed analysis in the local papers next week. 



Boyle 7th Count


Charlie Hopkins is eliminated and Michael Mulligan will be elected with a massive transfer from Charlie Hopkins I reckon!!!!!!!

First Second Third Fourth Fifth Sixth Seventh 
Elected  Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461 1578 1619 1777 1643
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0 0 0 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)   1062 1107 1112 1144 1161 1207 1230
Elected  Cummins (FF)   Elected 1512 1534 1582 1628 1643 1643 1643
Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131 1152 1176 1296 1332
Frain (Lab)  Elim  587 606 652 696 0 0 0
Garvey (FG)   Elim 674 680 682 739 754 0 0
Hopkins C (FG)  Elim 731 733 734 752 767 929 948 0
Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916 1039 1287 1400 1413
Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362 1406 1614 1639 1640
Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178 1289 1310 1381 1406
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0 0 0
 Quota  1643

Valerie Byrne Elected


Valerie Byrne Elected

Elected  Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461 1578 1619 1777
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)   1062 1107 1112 1144 1161 1207
Elected  Cummins (FF)   Elected 1512 1534 1582 1628 1643
Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131 1152 1176 1296
Frain (Lab)  Elim  587 606 652 696 0
Garvey (FG)   Elim 674 680 682 739 754 0
Hopkins C (FG)   731 733 734 752 767 929
Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916 1039 1287 1400
Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362 1406 1614 1639
Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178 1289 1310 1381
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0
 Quota  1643

Gerry Garvey loses out!



Pity to see Gerry Garvey lose out! I was elected with Gerry in 1999 and I have to say he was a Councillor I admired. 

Gerry was big into Regional Roads and other forms of infrastructure. An intelligent Councillor I’d say he’ll be missed. Until this year a lot of his neighbours were unable to vote for him because of the nearness of the Strokestown border to him! 

Valerie Byrnes strength this election really damaged Garvey as no Elphin votes were available!  Elphin voted Elphin!  


Anyway Gerry will be busy might even play a bit of Junior B for Kilmore!!!

Boyle 5th count!

John Cummins first man elected and Gerry Garvey is now eliminated!

First Second Third Fourth Fifth Sixth
Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461 1578 1619
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)   1062 1107 1112 1144 1161
Cummins (FF)   Elected 1512 1534 1582 1628 1643
Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131 1152 1176
Frain (Lab)  Elim  587 606 652 696 0
Garvey (FG) Elim   674 680 682 739 754
Hopkins C (FG)   731 733 734 752 767
Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916 1039 1287
Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362 1406 1614
Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178 1289 1310
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0
 Quota  1643

Boyle 4th count




Watch Maura Hopkins climb now with Frains Transfer

First Second Third Fourth Fifth
Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461 1578
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)   1062 1107 1112 1144
Cummins (FF)   1512 1534 1582 1628
Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131 1152
Frain (Lab)  Elim  587 606 652 696 0
Garvey (FG)    674 680 682 739  
Hopkins C (FG)   731 733 734 752
Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916 1039
Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362 1406
Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178 1289
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0
 Quota  1643

Boyle Count Prediction

As someone who teaches in Elphin I'm delighted that Valerie Byrne is polling so well. The community backed here to the hilt. The change in area also did not help her as she lost Ballyleague where her late husband Gene came from. 

My call on the election here is as follows John Cummins, Valerie Byrne Michael Mulligan and one of the Hopkins with the last 2 seats decided between Rachel Doherty, Eugene Murphy and Tom Crosby! I'd say it'll be two seats each old area so that's going to be Cummins and Doherty, Byrne and Murphy and finally Mulligan  and Maura Hopkins.

I posted this yesterday and I’m standing by my prediction! The biggest loser is Micheal Frain who left a sure Fine Gael seat as he was upset at the lies about the A&E. He would have got the Fine Gael party vote that Maura Hopkins got! 


We shall see what happens! 

Boyle Recount 3rd count.





Total recheck completed and the quota is down by 1. The votes are in order. Couple of tiny changes but Callaghan is now eliminated. Can Frain go ahead of Garvey from Callaghan's votes? If so it will be interesting!


First Second Third Fourth Fifth
Byrne (Ind)  1347 1442 1461
Callaghan (FG)  Elim 592 606 650 0
Coleman (Ind)  Elim  140 0 0 0 0
Crosby (Ind)   1062 1107 1112
Cummins (FF)   1512 1534 1582
Doherty (FF)  1068 1080 1131
Frain (Lab)  587 606 652
Garvey (FG)   674 680 682
Hopkins C (FG)   731 733 734
Hopkins M (FG)  840 867 916
Mulligan M (SF)   1251 1283 1362
Murphy E (FF)   1150 1164 1178
O'Beirne (Ind)   Elim  182 0 0 0 0
Sampey (FF)   Elim  365 374 0 0 0
 Quota  1643

How does my vote work?


How does your vote work?

I have been listening to people on radio displaying a lack of understanding of the electoral system, people in pubs likewise!  I have people asking me how the voting works, how do the votes get transferred. Voters think that giving "a stroke" means something other than a vote. Anyway have a read of this and it might explain a bit about the vote!


In Ireland, the system of voting in all elections is proportional representation with a single transferable vote in multi-seat constituencies (3-, 4- and 5-seat constituencies at Dáil elections).
Proportional representation means that as a voter, you can indicate your first and subsequent choices for the candidates on the ballot paper.
The names of the candidates will appear in alphabetical order on the ballot paper, together with their photographs and their party emblem (if they wish).
How do you vote
You indicate your first choice by writing 1 opposite your first choice and 2 opposite your second choice, 3 opposite your third choice and so on. You may stop marking your paper after 1 or any subsequent preference or you may go right down the ballot paper until a preference has been given to all candidates ending with the candidate of your lowest choice.
When you vote like this, you are instructing the Returning Officer to transfer your vote to the second choice candidate if your first choice is either elected with a surplus of votes over the quota or is eliminated. If your second choice is elected or eliminated, your vote may be transferred to your third choice and so on.
Counting the votes
When polling is over, all the ballot boxes are taken to a central counting place for each constituency. The count starts at 9am on the day after polling day. The ballot papers are then sorted into piles of ballot papers for each candidate.
The ballot papers are mixed, counted and sorted and spoiled papers are rejected. A paper is spoiled if it does not have an official stamp, if it does not indicate a clear choice, for example, if you have indicated two No. 1's on the paper, or if anything is written on the ballot paper by which the voter can be identified. The Total Valid Poll therefore, is the total number of votes minus the number of spoiled papers.
The quota
When the papers have been counted and sorted, the quota is calculated by dividing the Total Valid Poll by one more than the number of seats to be filled, ignoring any remainder and then adding 1 vote. For example, in a Dáil election in a 4-seat constituency with 50,000 votes cast, 50,000 divided by 4 plus 1 (i.e., 5) = 10,000; 10,000 plus 1 is 10,001. This is the quota of votes to be reached by the candidates and it means that only 4 persons can be elected.
Surplus votes
If a candidate receives more than the quota on any count, the surplus votes are transferred to the remaining candidates in proportion to the next available preferences indicated by voters (i.e., the next preference on each vote for a candidate who has not been elected or eliminated). For example, if candidate A receives 900 votes more than the quota on the first count and on examining all of his or her votes, it is found that 30% of these have next available preferences for candidate B, then candidate B does not get 30% of all candidate A's votes, candidate B gets 30% of his/her surplus, i.e., 270 votes (30% of 900).
Where a candidate is elected at the second or at later count, only the votes that brought him/her over the quota are examined in the surplus distribution, i.e., the parcel of votes last transferred to the elected candidate.
If two or more candidates exceed the quota at the same time, the larger surplus is distributed first. The distribution of a surplus is prohibited if it cannot materially affect the progress of the count, either by electing a candidate or saving the lowest candidate from elimination.
Where there is no surplus for distribution or the distribution of the surplus is prohibited, the next step is the elimination of the lowest candidate. Two or more of the lowest candidates must be excluded together where it is clear that they cannot possibly be saved from elimination in the long run. Where a candidate is eliminated, all of his/her votes are transferred to the next available preferences on them.
Counting continues until all the seats have been filled. The last seat can be filled either by a candidate(s) exceeding the quota or by a candidate(s) being elected without reaching the quota because it is clear that he/she is ultimately going to be elected. Thus, if the number of seats left to be filled is just one less than the number of candidates still in the running and an available surplus cannot bring the lowest candidate level with or above the second lowest candidate, all the candidates, except the one with the lowest number of votes, are deemed elected even though none of them have actually reached the quota.
Recounts
Candidates can ask for a recount of a particular count or of the entire count. A recount of a particular count involves examining all papers relevant to that count and moving papers to correct any errors. A complete recount generally occurs only towards the end of the entire count and involves checking all the votes as they stand (without moving any of them) to ensure that each is credited to the correct candidate and that each parcel of papers contains the correct number of papers. Any errors are noted and when the checking is completed, the cumulative effect of all the errors is analysed. The returning officer confirms the results already announced unless a significant error (i.e., one likely to result in a different candidate being elected or excluded) is uncovered, in which case the votes are counted afresh at the point from which the error occurred.

When the count is completed, the Returning Officer declares the results of the election